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Proud Mary - A Reccie Trip

bearridge

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Friend Mick,

More swell pichurs.....the last one wuz special. We lost near bout ever free flowin' river in our country. Please fight hard ta save yer last ones. I long fer the day when the dams on the Colorado fail frum a earthquake 'er the Monkey Wrench Gang. 8)

regards
bearridge

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oldyaker

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I sure enjoyed this report Mick.....but C'mon :wink: Ya ain't gotta yank our chain anymore :wink: :wink: .....yer really retired and independently wealthy.....ain't ya! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

hairymick

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I sure enjoyed this report Mick.....but C'mon Ya ain't gotta yank our chain anymore .....yer really retired and independently wealthy.....ain't ya

Nah mate, :D just a workin class bloke, lucky enough to have a job with shifts that give me lots of time off :D

Average, 3 days per week at w#@k. Best lurk I have ever had. :D

Bear,
We lost near bout ever free flowin' river in our country. Please fight hard ta save yer last ones
There are allready 2 dams on this river. One a long way upstream and one below Tiaro. One more would destroy any flow it still retains.

Just about all our other major rivers have allready had the heck damned out of them. This is why our Mary is so special. One of the very few places left available to paddle country like this.

Will find some links. :D
 

bearridge

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Please tell him a heap a paddlin' folks up here thank him fer standin' up ta the dam folk.

respectfully
bearridge

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a Bald Cypress

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Yo. Mick.

Ya know already that I am the last one to throw stones [ since I live in a glass house] but,
although I think you have posted some very beautiful "picces" of your lovely river, the Mary.

I think you have gone overboard with the save the turtle thing.

Any self respecting turtle would NEVER be seen wearing a green rug on its' head. :p

That is the most unusual turtle I have ever seen.

Will send a note to the commision from this side of the drain stating that I have seen your lovely picces and agree that the damn dam should not be built.

Good luck mate.
 

dawallace45

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Mick the most criminal thing is that there was already a dam site planed and most of the land had been resumed ,it was the Wolffdene Dam , I think it was some where in the Gold Coast hinterland , it was a very emotive issue back then , and when the Labor government got in they cancelled it , that was back in 1989 I think , they then did nothing to replace it , but then labor governments have never been all that good on infrastructure , was talking to a mate the other day about it and he seriously thinks that the labor government will slow down on resuming land just as soon as our current dams are full or near full then say they bow to public pressure and cancel the dam , he reckons Labor doesn't like going in for large projects as they reckon the chance of them being in power when they are finished is small and it's the party that is in power when a project is completed is the one remembered for it , he may just have a cynical view of Labor as he was a member for many years and his father a member of parliament in a labor government , he's now a keen member of the fishing party

David
 

bearridge

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Friend David,

It iz mitey sad when folks wont save plenty of the jewels of nature fer the little pardners ta enjoy.

regards
bearridge

Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves. Winston Churchill
 

hairymick

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Dave,

What really annoys me is that there are alternatives to this bloody dam.

"Water source is liquid gold"
Daryl Passmore
Courier Mail April 20, 2008

A WATER source has been discovered that could supply parched parts of Queensland with billions of litres every year for decades.
The coal-seam gasfields being developed by the Queensland Gas Company in the Surat Basin near Condamine will produce enough water to meet nearly a quarter of Brisbane's annual needs for at least 30 years, the company's experts say.

For Queensland Gas, the water is a "waste product" that has to be removed to stimulate the gas flow.

But to a state hit by prolonged drought and facing increasing threats from climate change, it's liquid gold.

"Sometimes it's important to lift your eyes and look at the bleeding obvious," said Queensland Gas managing director Richard Cottee.

Billions of litres could be used to supply Toowoomba and rural communities west of the city – or piped to Wivenhoe Dam.

With only a tenth the salinity of seawater – "it's just brackish to taste" Mr Cottee said – the coal-seam water could be brought to drinking standard through filtration by reverse osmosis or other methods.

The company has already signed a deal with the former Miles Shire Council to supply the town with all its potable water for free. The council will build an 8km pipeline.

It was only in February that the full scale of the reserves was realised.

Once the gasfields hit full production, in about seven or eight years, a massive 100 to 125 megalitres of water a day will be pumped out – the same amount that will be produced by the $1.1 billion desalination plant being built at Tugun on the Gold Coast.

While Queensland Gas would own the water, Mr Cottee said the focus would be on recovering the costs of getting the water to where it was needed rather than exploiting it as a revenue stream.

"We are a gas producer," he said. "The water will be our waste product. It's ridiculous isn't it – in the driest continent on earth, water will be waste. It's too precious to waste."

Mr Cottee has spoken with Premier Anna Bligh about the potential.

One idea is to construct a water pipeline alongside the Roma to Brisbane gas pipeline.

This could supply Toowoomba and a string of drought-hit towns including Miles, Chinchilla, Dalby and Oakey.

The company estimates the cost of a 180km pipeline from the gasfields to the Garden City would be about $300 million.

But it would eliminate the need for the Government to go ahead with a planned $200 million pipe, which would pump scarce water the other way from Wivenhoe up the Great Dividing Range to Toowoomba.

Premier Bligh said: "If the water can be treated effectively and then transported efficiently, I would like to get this as drinking water to regional towns and Toowoomba.

"But this could also be an excellent source of reliable water for farm irrigation, cattle feedlots and industrial uses such as power stations."

Ray Brown, mayor of the Dalby Regional Council, said the water supply "would be a huge benefit for our region" boosting agriculture, mining and other development.

"I'm very excited. Everyone out here is on the edge of their seats at the moment.

"We've been in drought fo so long and people have been down, but now everyone has a spring in their step."

Another option – particularly once a second field for Queensland Gas becomes operational, doubling the amount of water produced – could be to extend the pipeline to feed Wivenhoe Dam to help meet the needs of the southeast. The lower-quality discharge residue could go to Tarong Power Station.

The water, like the gas, is molecularly held within the coal and has to be extracted to break a pressure seal that releases the gas.

"This is important because it means the water could otherwise not be accessed," said a Queensland Gas spokeswoman.

"It is not in aquifers or groundwater supplies, but structurally bound inside the coals. So removing it will not lower the underground water table."

Up to 30 megalitres of water a day is already being extracted from the coal and stored in massive dams at the gasfields. The company expects that to rise to between 100 and 125 megalitres daily within five years.


The Traveston Crossing dam site near Gympie was possibly the worst example of a dam site in Australia, the Federal Shadow Environment Minister Greg Hunt said yesterday.

Mr Hunt toured the Mary River Valley for several hours yesterday with residents of the town of Kadanga, which will be half-covered by water from the Traveston Crossing Dam behind Gympie.

"I look at this site and I think this is about the worst example of a possible dam site in Australia," Mr Hunt said.

He said he had three objections to the site, which was not the top site selected by the Queensland Government in 2006, but had the highest dam yield.

"The first is that this valley ought to be a food bowl, not an evaporative pond," Mr Hunt said, listing beef, dairying, ginger, mangoes, avocados and the forestry industry as still viable in the valley.

The Mary River is one of the largest exporters of ginger to the world, with the State Government still to find an alternative location for a large ginger plantation that will be covered by the dam.

"So it serves a purpose as a productive area and it serves a second purpose as a beautiful area," he said.

He said his visit - his first to the site - demonstrated that the site was totally unsuitable for a dam.

"There are good and bad sites for dams, just as dams," Mr Hunt said.

"And the usual thing you are looking for is a deep chasm, which has low evaporative rates.

"What you have here - and it is obvious when you look from the top of Dave (Sims') property is one of the broadest, flattest, shallowest potential dam sites in the country."

Mr Hunt said the Federal Government had to take into account the Queensland Water Commission's (QWC) 50-year draft water strategy, which puts the emphasis clearly on recycled water and desalination plants as part of South-East Queensland's water future.

Although Traveston Crossing and Wyaralong dams are included in this strategy, the planned desalination plants (146,000 ML/a) provide more water than the Traveston Dam (77,000 ML/a).

Mr Hunt said dams were not necessarily the best choice for water supply and nominated the Western Corridor Recycled Water Scheme in Brisbane as an excellent example of re-using water.

"However in this region alone on the Sunshine Coast there is 35 billion litres of recyclable water which is dumped off the coast as partially-treated sewage," he said.

"Let's start by cleaning up that 35 billion litres a year, which is almost half the alleged capacity of this dam."

Local Federal MP Warren Truss, now the Nationals' Federal Leader, said it was clear within the State Government's own QWC report that options other than building Traveston Dam were now clear.

"They have admitted themselves as a result of the 50-year strategy that there are plenty of other ways of providing water for Brisbane, plenty of other ways," Mr Truss said.

Mr Hunt said he and Mr Truss would be writing to Federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett with a summary of their findings and encouraging them take into account the QWC report released last week.

"Warren and I will be writing jointly to Peter Garrett and we will be saying as a result of our inspection here it is our clear position," he said.

"We think that this dam site for the three big reasons in terms of its priority use, its failure as an effective dam site and because of its environment concerns, should not go ahead.

"But over and above, that the actual water strategy itself means it is not a necessary item."

Former high-profile environmentalist Peter Garrett visited the site discreetly before Easter, hosted by the government-run company charged to build the dam.

He did not speak with the local community during the visit.

A spokesman said the Minister was aware of the community's concerns and said the decision would take into account environmental, social and economic issues.

"The proposal is currently being assessed under the EPBC Act as well as under the relevant state legislation by the Queensland Government," a spokesman said.

"The Minister will make a decision on the proposal after full and thorough consideration of all the relevant information that emerges through the assessment process. For example, we understand that more than 15,000 public submissions have been received on this proposal.

"In making a decision, the Minister will carefully consider the Queensland Government's assessment report and - in accordance with the responsibilities imposed under the EPBC Act - will also carefully evaluate the impacts of the dam on matters of national environmental significance, as well as economic and social issues associated with the proposal."

The Save the Mary River campaign estimates the Traveston Crossing Dam will cause the loss of approximately 76 square kilometres of high-quality fertile irrigated farmland and present threats to the Marry River Cod, the lungfish and several tortoise species.

It will also disrupt all local major transport infrastructure, including the Bruce Highway, Mary Valley Road, Mary Valley Rail, telecommunications and power infrastructure.

I really want to smack someone over this.